Do we alway's want to know the truth?...

I was just in an interesting debate about theories...the big bang theory etc...and how it is healthy to question what we believe in,and if it brings the individual comfort and it's not hurting anyone, then it's fine.  Do we alway's want the truth?...If there was proof that there is no such thing as a god...would you want to know, or would it dash your whole belief system?

And all what the world religions spout, and what people live and die by (holy wars are the worst as both side believe God is on thier side and that the cause they fight for is the right one)...What if it was all for man's own greed, ie. to take someone's land or possessions, if they can convince themselves that it's god way, does it make it easier?, God could be offering a safe barrier for the evils of this world to hide behind?...You have heard the americans "In god we trust"...who are they actually putting thier trust in...governments....politicians?...When the troups went to Iraq...Is it there country they are fighting for?, or their God, or oil... ? ?...

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Re: Do we alway's want to know the truth?... In reply to: Hannah

That's a really interesting point - I don't think humankind could cope with the whole truth, which is probably why we don't know.

But I do agree that people think they are right and have god on their side but there are also others who use that as an excuse to do exactly what they like (wars, oppression of women or other cultures).

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Re: Do we alway's want to know the truth?... In reply to: Nina

its funny you mentioned the oppression of women in religion because while i was at school we studdied this in great depth in religious studies.  Jesus had male and female followers and when he was put on the cross it was the men who ran and left him! while the women prepared him for his fate and stayed by his side! Men always feel threatened by women because they like to feel that they are in controll when actually behind every great man is an even better woman! lol 

but back to the point, no one likes to hear the truth if it is not what they want to hear and too often people use GOD as an excuse! God doesnt want people to fight but that is what people choose to use their freedom of choice for! God gave us all freedom of choice and if it is peoples CHOICE to kill others then thats up to them, they will keep going round in a vicious circle untill they get it right being punished for the bad they did in a past life! Wars happen because silly people argue over what they believe in or what they want when people should be accepting the fact that everyone believes in different things! just like everyone is of different races and cultures! and everyone is different in themselves and too often they are killed just for that! 

As for the army, the men and woomen that fight believe that they are fighting for their countries when really they are fighting for 1 man that does not get along with another but because they are the LEADERS people will believe what they say and do what they say! the president or the priminister would be as well saying to someone "I dont like that person, i want you to kill them for me!" too often wars are over stupid meeningless things and they always use god as back up "its GODs will"  We should all be helping eachother and not fighting over things that dont mean anything when we have family and friends that need us!

I was at the Border Gathering in dumfries one year when the army were trying to recruit my husband and the guy was saying to me "wouldnt you like him to fight for his country" i said no and he kept arguing, i told him we had a baby girl only 4 weeks old and he said "so, ive got one child and another "on the way, and im going to iraq in a few weeks to fight, Ive got a nice house provided for me bla bla bla! hes putting his work before his babies! i said "what if you die for your country, your kids will grown up without a father" all he could say is "the army would help my wife and my children and i would have died for a good cause!" what good cause is fighting someone elses battles for them when you have babies at home who need their father or mother!? I dont understand it myself.

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Re: Do we alway's want to know the truth?... In reply to: Nykita

Yes, Jesus was reported to have female followers, but they are hardly mentioned in the bible...the churches wouldn't even accept that Jesus was married, as you say, behind every good man is a fantastic woman indeed!...Apparently I heard there were hidden scripts that didn't even make it into the bible about how amazing Mary Magdelene was, and that they were side by side in decisions etc...which would have been a more wholesome story, to hear that he was a regular Joe who got married and had kiddies, like the rest of us.  The church hid these scripts, until farely recently when they were found, the church is ran by men, and they wanted to keep it that way, they never wanted women to be considered equal, because it was threatening to really what is the weaker sex (the men)..My Dad, now lives alone after my Mum's death last year, and he can't function very well, he had nearly 40 yrs of guidance and insight from her...and that made him a better person...but now he is lacking direction, and is more selfish than women on their own seem to be. 

Waffling away here, back to the point, so the truth is good if it exposes wrong doing like church oppression, unjust wars etc...but we like our beliefs to be a little mysterious...as we don't need to know if they are true....because they can be true to us....?

It wouldn't be politically correct for the P.M to say, lets invade a country, as they annoy me....could you imagine!...so they feed us lies to make us think that we are infact in danger, like there are weapons of mass destruction?...lets face it none of us believed blair when he said that!...Iraq wasn't dangerous, it was taken over by troups in about two weeks...and no sign of W-M-D...I hear what you are saying about the military, its amazing how our priorities changed when I became pregnant for the first time, I came out of the Military...and my hubby came out not long afterwards....they tempt you with a good career, with lots of perks, but it's fine if your a single person...but it's very difficult if you have children to consider....they need to see there parents....not being worried if they will come back from tours of duty.....thanks for your comments, best dash baby is up from nap ! 

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Re: Do we alway's want to know the truth?... In reply to: Hannah

yup the millitary is a very good career for those who have no long term commitments and it does offer a great deal but at the end of the day when you join, you are pretty much signing your life away! you could be caled up at any time and you dont know if your coming back! its the army kids that i feel sorry for as they dont know if they will see their mother/father again so each goodbye could be their last! :( not a nice thought and i could never let my husband join! he wanted to join the TA but i said no as it would take him away from the children too often and for too long and i couldnt bare it! not only that but the fact that i would be left on my own with the kids for so long without a break! it kills me now not getting time to myself but atleast i know he is here if i need him and i need 10 mins to myself. anyway better go do some house work! lol

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Re: Do we alway's want to know the truth?... In reply to: Nykita

Yes, good points, we were part of an organisation, when we joined up, and when you are a teenager, you don't really see the full picture, of what it's like having a relationship, or children in the military. We both say now, we are pleased we joined up, as it was what we wanted at the time, it has taught us certain life experiences that we wouldn't have experienced if we had stayed civilian, but it was the correct thing, not to raise our Family in service, some people do, and are fine with not seeing there Hubby's very much, tour of duties can be 4 months, you think how much a child can change in that length of time?....

Along this same thread of "Do we always want to know the truth"....I have been my Dad's sounding post for a year now, since my mum died, everyone, including me & my Hubby, rallyed round to see if he was ok, listened to his feelings of grief etc...it's now a yr on and frankly I'm fed up with it all, So I told him some home truths...I said he is putting too much on my shoulders, he goes out alot, meets women,tells us the details, ugh, and I told him its disrespectful to my mum's memory, and that I'm still in pain over loosing my mum, he selfishly replied that i'm bossy. I feel hurt,as it's ok for him to tell me all this but when I say hold on, do what you want, but I really don't want to hear about it, then he gets a cob on!...We have listened to all his problems, and dilema's with women that were self inflicted, and he should have known better, My dad would happily bring his laptop to my house and catch up witth gossip to females online, while my 9 yr old wonders what her grandpa is doing...that's not setting a responsible role around my children...I'm lucky I have a Hubby who listens and understands, (and I chew my sis-in-laws ear off too).....other than that I have no-one. I'm not some monster who has told my Dad he should stay single forever, I just don't like the way he is all about himself, he has never asked me once how I feel...I lost my female connection.....

This was one of the worst scenarios...last yr, I had lost my mum about two weeks prior, we were all still in shock, my baby was 6 days old, my hubby had gone back to work on that day, my Dad came round (to keep me company), he sat there saying how awful everything was for him, I'm trying to make us food, my older two children are running mad, and the Baby wanted breastfeeding constantly (as they do at first)....looking back, where the hell was my support ?, if my mum was there she would have helped with cooking, baby and older kids...So in all of this, No, my Dad didn't want the truth, he wanted me to take all of his woes on my shoulders, and not care how bogged down that made me....oh he also has "mania"...this adds to his selfish personality,...I think I have unresolved anger?.....It's a good job i'm on prozac, or I would have cracked up by now !! Although typing this has really helped X

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Re: Do we alway's want to know the truth?... In reply to: Hannah

my mum is pretty much the same as your dad is! while my mum and dad were going through a rough patch and they split up for a year or so i was her shoulder to cry on, i knoew everything and my eldest was only about a month old or so, its ok for my mum to cry on my shoulder and moan till shes blue in the face but everyone puts their problems on me especially her and my hubby's sister, and i have no one to talk to cos when i want to moan they either dont listen or my mum says " well i managed on my own"!
I found writing all my thoughts in a book whether good or bad helped me so much! my hubby and i used to fight all the time when Hope was first born but once i started writing everything down i didnt lose my temper so much as by the time i had finished writing i had said what i needed to say to get it out my system and we ddntreally argue! it was great im planning on burning the book as if to get rid of all the negativity! my hubby used to read it so that e knew exactly how i felt and what he had done to p*** me off and he changed a little to, he had anger problems and started writing in a book too and it helped him too! Just buy a little pad book and write in it every time you feel angy or sad or even really happy, sometimes reading it back you think to your self "what the hell was i moaning about?!" lol it releases your anger and once youve written it its gone, out of your system!

I hope this helps hun as it really heped me!

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Re: Do we alway's want to know the truth?... In reply to: Nykita

Hi. Ive just joined up on here and have been reading your messages with great interest.
I may try the writing thoughts down in a book as ive had a really tough and lonely year.
My daughter was born a month early after me spending 4 weeks in hospital.
I was admitted at 32 weeks pregnant as i was bleeding. I wasnt allowed to have a normal delivery as i had a low lying placenta and my daughter was laying transverse so couldnt come out the normal way !! Because i was bleeding i wasnt allowed home in case i bleed heavy and haemoraged which could have killed us both. I had no one to keep an eye on me
at home as my partner was out at work and my family all live 170 miles away. I wasnt allowed to be alone. I spent 4 lonely weeks in hospital with just my partner coming in to see me in the evenings. So boring and scary. I went into labour twice and
then had to have an emergency c section at almost 36 weeks pregnant. She had severe colic and i was alone all day with her at home and have a really bad year. I had a nasty fall down the stairs and had to return to work full time for financial reasons so i have never really been able to meet anyone new. I dont have many friends up here because of all this and although my partner is great, we sometimes need our family and friends too and ive really missed having people to talk to. Im on anti depressants and have been for a while now. I dont think ive ever really been able to explain to my partner just how hard it has been and how lonely its been. He is great at trying to be understanding but i dont think he really could understand fully. I think writing things down may help me. Thanks for the tip

Re: Do we alway's want to know the truth?... In reply to: mish

It's not a problem hun, as i said before i found it worked for me and my hubby tried it for a while and it seemed to help him while he was writing his thoughts and feelings down.

After having my eldest daughter i was really ill and had to have a blood transfusion so i never got any sleep as they were waking me up every 15 mins or so to check me over then when the bag of blood was finished they had to flush it through then give me my anti-biotics via a drip then flush that then another bag of blood, i had 4 bags all together! to make things worse when she was a week old we moved into our house and she has never slept through and when she was a baby my hubby never did anything with her although with our youngest he does LOTS! he feels guilty for leaving me to get up 6/7/8 times at night for our eldest! but its been almost 3 years now and still she wont sleep through but its only once a night so its not too bad! but anyway as i was saying writing things down in a book really helped me get EVERYTHING off my chest and i could be honest and open! I hope this helps! xxx

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Re: Do we alway's want to know the truth?... In reply to: Nykita

I have been writing detailed diaries since I had my first child, so I have always thought that writing things down helps, but that is for my healing, I wouldn't show them to anyone. Writing in a note book is a good way of seeing how you feel at the time, and reading it back when you are calm, probably makes you wonder what you were so angry for!....I actually find this chatting, here, is good therapy, as you get totally impartial views off people, and hear about their experiences too. I write e-mails aswell to my sis-in-law, Dad, etc...sometimes it's easier to type things than it is to say them....My Dad seems fine he phoned me yesterday, I need to let him do what he wants to do, wether I agree with it or not, he is still my Dad. Thanks for all the advice and points of view on this topic x

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Re: Do we alway's want to know the truth?... In reply to: Hannah

its great chatting on here as for the first time in almost 3 years i can have an adult conversation about REAL subjects and not have to listen to my hubby go on about the farm and the tractor and have to sound interested! lol he knows i dont find it all that interesting but i listen anyway! you guys have been great! talking (especially to Nina and Hannah) has been really fun so far, it feels like ive known you for years! Thanx for everything!

Tell those closest to you that you love them as you never know when they might be gone!

Re: Do we alway's want to know the truth?... In reply to: Nykita

Aaah, that's nice, we are all in the same boat I think, having kiddies, family dilemas etc..!...oh dear, "tractors"!!!...I thought you were going to put, something like "oh he goes on and on about football"...or similar...Does he like to hear new stuff the children have done ?...Our one yr old, has taken his first four steps, so we know he is sooo close to walking it's brilliant, He throws a little tantrum now too, I thought he was a little young for that, but we just laugh !...It's good to share our thoughts, keep in touch x

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